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[4K极清电影] 绝岭雄风/巅峰战士 [4K REMUX无损版/外挂原盘中字] Cliffhanger 1993 2160p BluRaycd REMUX HEVC DTS-HD MA 5.1-FGT 53.67GB

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黄金嫖客 发表于 2018-11-21 00:44:43 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
A botched mid-air heist results in suitcases full of cash being searched for by various groups throughout the Rocky Mountains., C# O6 s+ L: _7 z2 m

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8 K2 X4 _4 o8 f# f( ^( n% p◎译  名 绝岭雄风/巅峰战士9 Q% l4 P6 B. R$ o* I5 G! q
◎片  名 Cliffhanger$ E; r3 N1 |3 G$ [* z# j
◎年  代 19933 l, |6 |5 M9 Y7 }' t
◎国  家 美国/意大利/法国
9 K3 x. O* |! R# z# v◎类  别 动作/冒险/惊悚
: \3 C+ j) o- R+ b8 l◎语  言 英语
  t. Y- a: v5 ^6 D◎上映日期 1993-05-28
+ f3 w+ Z9 `5 ]  W% ~# ]; V◎IMDb评分  6.4/10 from 107,976 users
# k- q9 i: @* c6 t◎IMDb链接  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106582/
3 g  k- s; M% r/ d◎豆瓣评分 7.5/10 from 4,916 users
! ?& s- [/ u2 o, v% L◎豆瓣链接 https://movie.douban.com/subject/1293952/
% y& s9 {$ G4 |, |◎文件格式 x265 + DTS
. {: o0 F2 W" h) z0 \8 Q+ _◎视频尺寸 3840 x 2160
" e1 T2 H* G% l* `0 c, d◎文件大小 1DVD 53.67 GiB
& T9 I: K/ \  M5 X) o7 S◎片  长 1 h 52 min8 F( g: s% q8 f. i( J
◎导  演 雷尼·哈林 Renny Harlin1 k8 v' R2 l( G; u2 l* w3 F* C
◎编  剧 迈克尔·弗朗斯 Michael France: g$ N) \/ C7 K) r2 [/ f6 t
       西尔维斯特·史泰龙 Sylvester Stallone( [5 Q2 R6 V4 q
◎主  演 西尔维斯特·史泰龙 Sylvester Stallone+ J6 n2 e4 `: ^
       约翰·利思戈 John Lithgow, z* z2 o# }( N* W9 q9 E" s3 Y: Z
       迈克尔·鲁克 Michael Rooker
" \0 e. r+ W# K2 e4 n% Z# K       简宁·特纳 Janine Turner) A( Y# `0 A! q7 G+ o7 ^
       萝丝玛丽·邓斯莫尔 Rosemary Dunsmore
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( h2 e' }9 n( _' K: `" ~3 D  加贝(西尔维斯特·史泰龙 Sylvester Stallone 饰)是一名高山抢险队队员,对于他来说,不断的征服一座又一座看似高不可攀的山巅就是人生的全部意义所在。然而,在一次行动中,由于加贝的疏忽导致了朋友意外坠山而亡,心中充满了愧疚与悔恨的他决心就此放弃攀登。( q. Q# m; O; S6 b) ~
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  一次偶然中,加贝接收到了一个神秘的求救信号,信号的发出地位于雪岭之巅,和朋友哈尔(迈克尔·鲁克 Michael Rooker 饰)、杰西(简宁·特纳 Janine Turner 饰)一起,加贝决心到那里一探究竟。让加贝没有想到的是,在雪岭等待着他的,竟然是一帮穷凶极恶的劫匪和一群手无寸铁的人质。比环境更险恶的,是人心,这一次,加贝能否逢凶化吉呢?4 L) i7 `/ Y2 ^7 L3 j' H

2 Q1 N! ^  C2 G; K- k; J  For Rocky Mountain Rescue, the mission is almost routine: locate five climbers. With the woman he loves and his best friend, Gabe Walker braves the icy peaks only to discover that the distress call is really a trap set by merciless international terrorist Eric Qualen. Now millions of dollars and their own lives hang in the balance. Against explosive firepower, bitter cold, and dizzying heights, Walker must outwit Qualen in a deadly game of hide-and-seek.! p( P" e. H  c, ]. c9 K) V+ S* v

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4 W3 G3 m. J; H# S) m$ {) Y# J  第66届奥斯卡金像奖  (1994)- b' @% q0 |3 d" T: _# z8 J% n
  最佳视觉效果(提名) Neil Krepela / 约翰·理查森 / 约翰·布鲁诺 / Pamela Easley
9 O- z- A( m6 v* ?* y9 N# w  最佳音响(提名) Michael Minkler / Bob Beemer / Tim Cooney
' T- y; s7 _# Y1 ]3 T8 i+ p; i% W  最佳音效剪辑(提名) 华利·史帝文 / Gregg Baxter
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  第17届日本电影学院奖  (1994), X" B+ q' B" G: Y" K0 `
  最佳外语片(提名)
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& q2 D# E. U* X4 o% dTitle....................................: Cliffhanger.1993.2160p.BluRaycd.REMUX.HEVC.DTS-HD.MA.5.1-FGT3 Q8 ~1 A6 `5 ^) ?$ \
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00:00:00.000.............................: :Chapter 14 Q' v" B. w3 w+ d# m
00:11:50.500.............................: :Chapter 2
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00:30:00.875.............................: :Chapter 4
# I# o' a2 h+ z- y! H. q00:38:02.375.............................: :Chapter 52 e4 Z7 F1 m' _
00:47:21.291.............................: :Chapter 6
5 j! ^: z9 v* e6 g; b, E00:57:25.791.............................: :Chapter 7
3 ?5 i/ F7 S3 q6 F, a# v2 s01:07:35.250.............................: :Chapter 8
$ D6 E- {1 ]: Z$ c( i01:14:53.375.............................: :Chapter 9
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01:44:34.208.............................: :Chapter 12

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dailin 发表于 2020-11-20 15:25:53 | 显示全部楼层
这么好的帖子不回对不起自己!
+ K7 H; Q& `& R! t3 q, X. E4 i要想蓝光电影论坛发展好,资源多,就靠你我他!To the development of Blu-ray movies forum, resources and more depend on you and me!+ |/ \' r) b5 ~! k1 Q/ h$ X

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davidqin 发表于 2021-2-4 13:27:47 | 显示全部楼层
每天都来蓝光论坛看看,我爱蓝光电影。3 b$ @- [4 S  ~0 ^( e
Not see, I am a novice, the inadequacies of the first Please bear with me!# c3 ~, I8 k& q' U+ ~! O

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fankyxie 发表于 2021-7-26 14:16:31 | 显示全部楼层
这么好的帖子不回对不起自己!
1 _% s# L$ p2 H) n要想蓝光电影论坛发展好,资源多,就靠你我他!To the development of Blu-ray movies forum, resources and more depend on you and me!2 G. J( b& {' J$ O, f. x2 h- y3 U1 B

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sebarstean 发表于 2021-8-10 18:06:42 | 显示全部楼层
每天都来蓝光论坛看看,我爱蓝光电影。
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xpg050811 发表于 2023-6-10 15:56:22 | 显示全部楼层
楼主发贴辛苦了,I*老*虎*U!
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sawas 发表于 2023-6-14 20:55:53 | 显示全部楼层
That was awesome!

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shiji1973 发表于 2023-6-15 08:55:12 | 显示全部楼层
每天都来蓝光论坛看看,我爱蓝光电影。# H* B6 i- r) O4 w1 o3 s5 m
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